Fort Laud BEACH CLEAN UP the 24hr Fishing Zone NOV 29 8am
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Fort Laud BEACH CLEAN UP the 24hr Fishing Zone NOV 29 8am
I agree that this is a great idea to do now and the mayor even hinted to something like this.
So It is going tp be November 29 8am that is when the parking lots open and there is around 30 to 40 spaces between the two lots.
I chose this date because it is just under 2 weeks away and it gives those that work Sunday a chance to adjust there schedule.
We would clean up the beach from NE 25th st north to NE 30th st and if we have a big turn out we can do more.
This is not just about us fisherman it is about our family's so I hope everyone would bring there family and close friends to spend quality time doing something cool.
Everyone thats wants to help is invited
I will have at my Green Ford Expedition with me Garbage bags, gloves, Hand sanitizer for all.
Date: November 29 2015
Time: 8am
Clean up Location: Fort lauderdale Beach from Ne 25th st to Ne 30thst
Meet Up Location: Parking Lot at NE 27th st that is the south parking lot on N Atlantic blvd
I will also bring Water for all
Anyone bringing something just let me know
This will be fun for a good cause and good conversations COME ALL
What I want to know is whos IN so I can lock this down and plan it.
All I need is volunteers
List of volunteers
Boatless Fisherman +4
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Rare
Kblue
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Stubbs +2 to 4 not sure yet
So It is going tp be November 29 8am that is when the parking lots open and there is around 30 to 40 spaces between the two lots.
I chose this date because it is just under 2 weeks away and it gives those that work Sunday a chance to adjust there schedule.
We would clean up the beach from NE 25th st north to NE 30th st and if we have a big turn out we can do more.
This is not just about us fisherman it is about our family's so I hope everyone would bring there family and close friends to spend quality time doing something cool.
Everyone thats wants to help is invited
I will have at my Green Ford Expedition with me Garbage bags, gloves, Hand sanitizer for all.
Date: November 29 2015
Time: 8am
Clean up Location: Fort lauderdale Beach from Ne 25th st to Ne 30thst
Meet Up Location: Parking Lot at NE 27th st that is the south parking lot on N Atlantic blvd
I will also bring Water for all
Anyone bringing something just let me know
This will be fun for a good cause and good conversations COME ALL
What I want to know is whos IN so I can lock this down and plan it.
All I need is volunteers
List of volunteers
Boatless Fisherman +4
Leadslinger +1
Rare
Kblue
Mike O
Gruntking
Stubbs +2 to 4 not sure yet
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Re: Fort Laud BEACH CLEAN UP the Fishing Zone NOVEMBER 29 8a
I'll be there. Most likely bring my old lady as well.
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i would love to come along for the fun but im getting my hair done that day
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Its a clean up we will do hair there.gruntking wrote:i would love to come along for the fun but im getting my hair done that day
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So how many coming with you Gruntking? Gruntking +1
Rare how many with you?
Rare how many with you?
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Re: Fort Laud BEACH CLEAN UP the 24hr Fishing Zone NOV 29 8a
Might be just me for now. Put me as a stand-by for now
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I am going to bring you donuts and coffeeRare wrote:Might be just me for now. Put me as a stand-by for now
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so who's in
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Re: Fort Laud BEACH CLEAN UP the 24hr Fishing Zone NOV 29 8a
I'll be 3 days out of SanDiego on the 29th Tommy. Otherwise I'd be there.
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Re: Fort Laud BEACH CLEAN UP the 24hr Fishing Zone NOV 29 8a
I am in but I have to leave 10... So I will be cleaning 8-10
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Everyone thats wants to help is invited
I will have at my Green Ford Expedition with me Garbage bags, gloves, Hand sanitizer for all.
Date: November 29 2015
Time: 8am
Clean up Location: Fort lauderdale Beach from Ne 25th st to Ne 30thst
Meet Up Location: Parking Lot at NE 27th st that is the south parking lot on N Atlantic blvd
I will also bring Water for all
Anyone bringing something just let me know
This will be fun for a good cause and good conversations COME ALL
What I want to know is whos IN so I can lock this down and plan it.
All I need is volunteers
List of volunteers
Boatless Fisherman +4
Leadslinger +1
Rare
Kblue
Mike O
I will have at my Green Ford Expedition with me Garbage bags, gloves, Hand sanitizer for all.
Date: November 29 2015
Time: 8am
Clean up Location: Fort lauderdale Beach from Ne 25th st to Ne 30thst
Meet Up Location: Parking Lot at NE 27th st that is the south parking lot on N Atlantic blvd
I will also bring Water for all
Anyone bringing something just let me know
This will be fun for a good cause and good conversations COME ALL
What I want to know is whos IN so I can lock this down and plan it.
All I need is volunteers
List of volunteers
Boatless Fisherman +4
Leadslinger +1
Rare
Kblue
Mike O
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Re: Fort Laud BEACH CLEAN UP the 24hr Fishing Zone NOV 29 8a
Hey, Tommy.... I just got off the phone with a mutual friend of ours and i will be down for the cleanup.
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I will be there
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I will be driving from homestead exit 2 if anyone think it's to far of a drive
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I will be getting off a double shift and will be coming from the Miami area.gruntking wrote:I will be driving from homestead exit 2 if anyone think it's to far of a drive
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I will be coming straight from work and my first stop will be to get some Donuts and coffee for us to eat and sipRare wrote:I will be getting off a double shift and will be coming from the Miami area.gruntking wrote:I will be driving from homestead exit 2 if anyone think it's to far of a drive
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Yeah.
Want to see which swinging dik is bigger around here????? I WILL BE DRIVING FROM CALIFORNIA to help clean up the beach but it's really to embarrass every one of you cruds that are always too busy to join in when asked. And we are never asked often. Hell, Tommy doesn't ask for anything from us in return for all the hours of enjoyment, information and commaradery we get around here. He shouldn't have had to ask more than once.
But no biggy the exact same bunch of men will be there. Lousy in numbers but huge spirit.
Want to see which swinging dik is bigger around here????? I WILL BE DRIVING FROM CALIFORNIA to help clean up the beach but it's really to embarrass every one of you cruds that are always too busy to join in when asked. And we are never asked often. Hell, Tommy doesn't ask for anything from us in return for all the hours of enjoyment, information and commaradery we get around here. He shouldn't have had to ask more than once.
But no biggy the exact same bunch of men will be there. Lousy in numbers but huge spirit.
Those old queen slave owners that wrote our Constitution 200 years ago were brilliant.
"Every four years Americans get the President they deserve".
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Kingofthesea wrote:Yeah.
Want to see which swinging dik is bigger around here????? I WILL BE DRIVING FROM CALIFORNIA to help clean up the beach but it's really to embarrass every one of you cruds that are always too busy to join in when asked. And we are never asked often. Hell, Tommy doesn't ask for anything from us in return for all the hours of enjoyment, information and commaradery we get around here. He shouldn't have had to ask more than once.
But no biggy the exact same bunch of men will be there. Lousy in numbers but huge spirit.
If my plane ticket would have refundable I would be driving up to you
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Re: Fort Laud BEACH CLEAN UP the 24hr Fishing Zone NOV 29 8a
What plane ticket? You leaving early? Clean up is almost 2 weeks before your rooster trip.
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Re: Fort Laud BEACH CLEAN UP the 24hr Fishing Zone NOV 29 8a
Plane ticket to San Diego for his trip. He was leaving 1 week early before his trip but the plane ticket is non refundable. He will be at the cleanup so nothing to do what he said just.....just telling dik he was about to do the same as well.
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Turning this back to volunteering. I'm in, might be able to convince my girlfriend to come too. Called my mother because she's done ft. lauderdale beach clean ups before, so she's in too. possibly with pops
She also mentioned a website that we can post on where local volunteers look for opportunities to do some good that she's gone on to find opportunities to volunteer. I didn't want to just go ahead and post this since I'm kinda new to the forum and I don't know all of you guys personally, yet, but I can get the info from her and pass it on if someone like Tommy wants to. Or I can do it, either or.
Me+ 2-4 are in
She also mentioned a website that we can post on where local volunteers look for opportunities to do some good that she's gone on to find opportunities to volunteer. I didn't want to just go ahead and post this since I'm kinda new to the forum and I don't know all of you guys personally, yet, but I can get the info from her and pass it on if someone like Tommy wants to. Or I can do it, either or.
Me+ 2-4 are in
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Stubbs wrote:Turning this back to volunteering. I'm in, might be able to convince my girlfriend to come too. Called my mother because she's done ft. lauderdale beach clean ups before, so she's in too. possibly with pops
She also mentioned a website that we can post on where local volunteers look for opportunities to do some good that she's gone on to find opportunities to volunteer. I didn't want to just go ahead and post this since I'm kinda new to the forum and I don't know all of you guys personally, yet, but I can get the info from her and pass it on if someone like Tommy wants to. Or I can do it, either or.
Me+ 2-4 are in
whats the site ?
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Awesome thanks for heads up on that site, so you can post it up or just PM me the info and I will take A LOOK.Stubbs wrote:Turning this back to volunteering. I'm in, might be able to convince my girlfriend to come too. Called my mother because she's done ft. lauderdale beach clean ups before, so she's in too. possibly with pops
She also mentioned a website that we can post on where local volunteers look for opportunities to do some good that she's gone on to find opportunities to volunteer. I didn't want to just go ahead and post this since I'm kinda new to the forum and I don't know all of you guys personally, yet, but I can get the info from her and pass it on if someone like Tommy wants to. Or I can do it, either or.
Me+ 2-4 are in
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See how easy it is Stubby one? You're not new anymore and we are glad to have you, gf and the gf and the folks if they can make it. As rite of passage for your first (but definitely not last) Boatless event everyone will want to introduce themselves so for identification try to wear any color wife beater with the letters K.O.T.S. written on the front in marker/crayon or whatever. We will fill you in at the cleanup and welcome to the planks.Stubbs wrote:....... I didn't want to just go ahead and post this since I'm kinda new to the forum and I don't know all of you guys personally, yet, but ?......Me+ 2-4 are in
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Lol I meant post this event to the other site, not the fact that I'll be coming. I'm glad I'll finally be able to make it out
Waiting for mama dukes to send me that website though. I'll post it when I get it
Waiting for mama dukes to send me that website though. I'll post it when I get it
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So else wants to volunteer some time to clean a small beach ?????
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Re: Fort Laud BEACH CLEAN UP the 24hr Fishing Zone NOV 29 8a
So it looks like the city is just going to "nourish" the beach and by that mean kill some reefs because the sand just piles on the reefs naturally with movement for buildings that arent even supposed to be that close to the beach. SMH
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Re: Fort Laud BEACH CLEAN UP the 24hr Fishing Zone NOV 29 8a
Within a matter of days, a series of dump trucks are expected to rumble in to the coastline carrying something as precious as gold in Broward County: sand.
The county's first major beach renourishment project in 10 years is expected to begin in early December, a sand infusion to beef up about 5 miles of skinny beach in Pompano Beach, Lauderdale-by-the-Sea and Fort Lauderdale. Some parts of those beaches haven't been manually refilled with sand since the 1970s or 1980s. And some never have at all.
Parts of the shoreline are so thin, water laps the seawall at high tide. When the work is done, the beach will be an average of 75 feet wider.
The new beach will keep tourists coming, officials say, but also will protect buildings and roadways.
"It's not just a quality of life or a tourism issue, it's a safety isue,'' Broward County Commissioner Chip LaMarca said. "These buildings ... they're not designed to go under water.''
Broward County has learned the hard way that what nature used to take care of now requires costly human intervention.
When the shoreline was devoid of development, and there were no ports and jetties to interrupt sand flow, beaches waxed and waned without assistance. But now, maintaining the shoreline requires years of permitting, environmental review, engineering and design — and money.
This project, known as "Segment II,'' has been in the works since at least 1996, and will cost $55 million.
"This project is so far long overdue that it's just abhorrent thinking about it,'' said Pio Ieraci, head of the Galt Mile Community Association, which represents a string of 28 condo towers on a sand-starved oceanfront in Fort Lauderdale. "Our beaches are first and foremost our line of protection against the ocean.''
After years of delay, the project got a green light earlier this month, when the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers granted final approval of an agreement in which the feds reimburse $30 million of the cost. Of the remaining portion, the county pays 67 percent and the three cities pay the rest.
"Beaches are one of the lifelines of Broward County's economy,'' U.S. Rep. Lois Frankel, a Democrat who represents most of the coast in Broward and Palm Beach counties, commented in a written statement. "This project will put sand back on the beach, protecting property values and keeping visitors returning to South Florida year after year."
Broward County commissioners gave their final sign-off on Nov. 10, heaving a collective sigh of relief, but also noting that if Fort Lauderdale doesn't approve its end of the agreement soon, that portion of the work could be pushed off another year.
Sea turtle nesting season ended Nov. 1 and starts again March 1. LaMarca said the work must be complete by April 30.
Fort Lauderdale Mayor Jack Seiler said the compact is on the City Commission's Dec. 1 agenda, and he's "cautiously optimistic.''
Correspondence between city and county reveals the two were squabbling over finances, as well as issues like the hours of work, and the county's plans to plant sea grapes to stabilize the sand. The county had asked that the agreement be approved by Fort Lauderdale by Nov. 1.
Fort Lauderdale's sense of urgency for sand increased when a portion of State Road A1A washed out during Hurricane Sandy in October 2012. A small-scale beach restoration took place then, but the disaster highlighted the fragility of Fort Lauderdale's developed beachfront against the powerful surf.
Fort Lauderdale's beachfront will be rebuilt to Terramar Street, a bit north of Las Olas Boulevard.
"We're excited about it,'' Seiler said. "We've been anxiously awaiting this beach renourishment project for quite some time and it is extremely important to the city of Fort Lauderdale. Hopefully we'll be able to resolve any outstanding issues and start seeing some new sand on the beach.''
LaMarca said Eastman Aggregates will do the work, requiring about 38,000 truckloads of sand, or about 700,000 cubic yards. The sand will be beach quality, retrieved from mines in Florida, such as one in LaBelle. Beaches will be closed while they're under construction — about a week at any one site, LaMarca predicted.
Broward business, civic and political leaders say the beach is desperate for sand — the key ingredient to a healthy economy. But it comes at a hefty price.
With this project, $139 million will have been spent rebuilding Broward's beaches since 1970, according to the county.
The most recent major project, the rebuilding of beaches in South Broward, or "Segment III,'' took place a decade ago and cost $44.5 million. A redo of that part of the beach is the next major project planned, expected to cost $53.9 million.
A smaller project, the "sand bypass project,'' where sand will be trapped in a hole on the ocean floor north of Port Everglades for use on beaches to the south is expected to cost $33.9 million.
Broward pays its portion with tourist taxes paid at hotels and short-term rentals. The annual tab is expected to be $7 million. But that's an investment that pays off, said Dan Lindblade, president of the Greater Fort Lauderdale Chamber of Commerce.
"The state did a study that says in Broward for every dollar spent on beach renourishment, there's $5 returned to the economy,'' Lindblade said. "That's the important thing to remember.''
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The county's first major beach renourishment project in 10 years is expected to begin in early December, a sand infusion to beef up about 5 miles of skinny beach in Pompano Beach, Lauderdale-by-the-Sea and Fort Lauderdale. Some parts of those beaches haven't been manually refilled with sand since the 1970s or 1980s. And some never have at all.
Parts of the shoreline are so thin, water laps the seawall at high tide. When the work is done, the beach will be an average of 75 feet wider.
The new beach will keep tourists coming, officials say, but also will protect buildings and roadways.
"It's not just a quality of life or a tourism issue, it's a safety isue,'' Broward County Commissioner Chip LaMarca said. "These buildings ... they're not designed to go under water.''
Broward County has learned the hard way that what nature used to take care of now requires costly human intervention.
When the shoreline was devoid of development, and there were no ports and jetties to interrupt sand flow, beaches waxed and waned without assistance. But now, maintaining the shoreline requires years of permitting, environmental review, engineering and design — and money.
This project, known as "Segment II,'' has been in the works since at least 1996, and will cost $55 million.
"This project is so far long overdue that it's just abhorrent thinking about it,'' said Pio Ieraci, head of the Galt Mile Community Association, which represents a string of 28 condo towers on a sand-starved oceanfront in Fort Lauderdale. "Our beaches are first and foremost our line of protection against the ocean.''
After years of delay, the project got a green light earlier this month, when the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers granted final approval of an agreement in which the feds reimburse $30 million of the cost. Of the remaining portion, the county pays 67 percent and the three cities pay the rest.
"Beaches are one of the lifelines of Broward County's economy,'' U.S. Rep. Lois Frankel, a Democrat who represents most of the coast in Broward and Palm Beach counties, commented in a written statement. "This project will put sand back on the beach, protecting property values and keeping visitors returning to South Florida year after year."
Broward County commissioners gave their final sign-off on Nov. 10, heaving a collective sigh of relief, but also noting that if Fort Lauderdale doesn't approve its end of the agreement soon, that portion of the work could be pushed off another year.
Sea turtle nesting season ended Nov. 1 and starts again March 1. LaMarca said the work must be complete by April 30.
Fort Lauderdale Mayor Jack Seiler said the compact is on the City Commission's Dec. 1 agenda, and he's "cautiously optimistic.''
Correspondence between city and county reveals the two were squabbling over finances, as well as issues like the hours of work, and the county's plans to plant sea grapes to stabilize the sand. The county had asked that the agreement be approved by Fort Lauderdale by Nov. 1.
Fort Lauderdale's sense of urgency for sand increased when a portion of State Road A1A washed out during Hurricane Sandy in October 2012. A small-scale beach restoration took place then, but the disaster highlighted the fragility of Fort Lauderdale's developed beachfront against the powerful surf.
Fort Lauderdale's beachfront will be rebuilt to Terramar Street, a bit north of Las Olas Boulevard.
"We're excited about it,'' Seiler said. "We've been anxiously awaiting this beach renourishment project for quite some time and it is extremely important to the city of Fort Lauderdale. Hopefully we'll be able to resolve any outstanding issues and start seeing some new sand on the beach.''
LaMarca said Eastman Aggregates will do the work, requiring about 38,000 truckloads of sand, or about 700,000 cubic yards. The sand will be beach quality, retrieved from mines in Florida, such as one in LaBelle. Beaches will be closed while they're under construction — about a week at any one site, LaMarca predicted.
Broward business, civic and political leaders say the beach is desperate for sand — the key ingredient to a healthy economy. But it comes at a hefty price.
With this project, $139 million will have been spent rebuilding Broward's beaches since 1970, according to the county.
The most recent major project, the rebuilding of beaches in South Broward, or "Segment III,'' took place a decade ago and cost $44.5 million. A redo of that part of the beach is the next major project planned, expected to cost $53.9 million.
A smaller project, the "sand bypass project,'' where sand will be trapped in a hole on the ocean floor north of Port Everglades for use on beaches to the south is expected to cost $33.9 million.
Broward pays its portion with tourist taxes paid at hotels and short-term rentals. The annual tab is expected to be $7 million. But that's an investment that pays off, said Dan Lindblade, president of the Greater Fort Lauderdale Chamber of Commerce.
"The state did a study that says in Broward for every dollar spent on beach renourishment, there's $5 returned to the economy,'' Lindblade said. "That's the important thing to remember.''
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Re: Fort Laud BEACH CLEAN UP the 24hr Fishing Zone NOV 29 8a
saddest part is the fact that they don't even mention the coral bleaching or the damage to the ecosystem....
momma and poppa dukes are out (visiting my uncles for thanksgiving) but my big brother and I will be there sunday. possibly my lady too, haven't gotten a firm answer yet.. I'm going to hit up a couple buddies too and see what happens.
momma and poppa dukes are out (visiting my uncles for thanksgiving) but my big brother and I will be there sunday. possibly my lady too, haven't gotten a firm answer yet.. I'm going to hit up a couple buddies too and see what happens.